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T O P I C R E V I E Wangel100There's much debate in synastry at the moment as to whether the asteroid juno or the planet chiron is more important as an indicator of "true love" or a could be marriage. Traditional astrology dictates that juno is the traditional significator of what we look for in a partner, how we expect them to behave etc. Magi astrology balks at this and maintains that it is chiron that points to the soulmate and is the prime significator of marriage between two people. Magi says that juno linkages (aspects) between people in synastry indicates a sexual bond or mistress relationship only. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have mostly chiron or juno contacts with your spouse? I say spouse because we're not talking about long term relationships here, only the ones that end up with a marriage lolGot Gemini?Well, there really isn't a lot of debate. Its really only the Magi Society that says this. I pay them no mind on this point. Some stuff they say is valid but I believe they are waaaay wrong on that one.To be honest, I don't even pay any attention to chiron at all as i've never felt its effects in synastry ever.------------------Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚Gemini Sun 24˚Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)Gemini Mercury 25˚Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)And yes, i'm a guy!DDI agree with GG. The magi are pretty much the only one who say all that Cinderella-soulmate-true love stuff about Chiron.I pay attention to Chiron and Juno, sometimes, when I am not focusing on the main planets.Juno`s symbolism / mythology fit the marriage-theme better (even though not in a Cinderella-happily ever after-sense), and astrology actually is all about myth. That is how people came to the symbolism of the planets in the first place.soulful122Hmm I dunno..The guy who I recently got back together with has his Juno conjunct my Asc. My Juno trines his Moon. Though we aren't married, sometimes it feels like we are lol. His Juno at 13° Libra conjuncts my ASC at 14° Libra trines my Jupiter at 12° Aquariustrines my Chiron at 12° Geminitrines my Psyche at 14° Geminisquares my Karma at 11° CapricornMy Juno at 19° Scorpiotrines his Moon at 20° Piscessquares his Mercury at 21° Leosquares his Mars at 19° Leoquincunx his Chiron at 17° Ariesquincunx his Saturn at 17° GeminiJuno for us makes us content and committed to each other. As far as leading to marriage I dunno. We do see each other as our ideal... yet, no marriage at the moment but we're happy.comica23If Chiron has anything to do with soulmates, then it would have to do with the wound/healing part, but I wouldn't think of it as a soulmate indicator.Juno has to do with marriage and commitment, and definitely not mistress or sex lol. And Juno links in the synastry can show that the other person can be an ideal partner for the Juno person.Juno in the natal chart could show what kind of partner/commitment we are inclined to have too (but other things has to be taken into account too of course).angel100How would one persons juno exactly conjunct anothers ascendant play out?BelageMagi astrology may be wrong about many things, but I have found that they are right about the Mars/Chiron aspects in synastry leading to marriage. Meaning, if you share Mars conjunction or trine or quincunx with someone's CHiron, you will most likely marry that person. If you share square or opposition, marriage will not happen. Through my own research, I have found out that if you share both aspects, the one with the tighter orb will win. I know, I have this with my husband. Marriage has been around for a long time as an institution, so I would say that Juno with its symbolism is more an indication of marriage than Chiron. However, Chiron represents our deepest wound and this myth is more connected to the idea of soulmate since most people think that their soulmate will heal or will help them heal their deepest wounds. And here I am using the term soulmate in the romantic sense. It's interesting that most people do marry, but most people do not necessarily marry their romantic soulmate. cherleInteresting, Belage. Have you come across any indicator this works the same with Sun-Chiron aspects?LonakeHi Belage, quote:Meaning, if you share Mars conjunction or trine or quincunx with someone's CHiron, you will most likely marry that person.I wonder have you found any differences between the aspects stated here? Why include the quincunx? Just wondering. quote:However, Chiron represents our deepest wound and this myth is more connected to the idea of soulmate since most people think that their soulmate will heal or will help them heal their deepest wounds. And here I am using the term soulmate in the romantic sense.Are you stating this in the context of Mars/Chiron, if so, is it the Mars person who heals Chiron, is that the meaning of this aspect? Thanks.DDI agree on the healing quality of Chiron (and therefore it can be part of a soulmate relationship), but I donīt agree that you will ALWAYS marry someone with the mentioned Mars-Chiron aspects.MyVirgoMaskMy ex and I married and my Juno conjunct his Mars. I guess that means that I would marry anyone with a Mars in Sagittarius lol.Seriously though, I think if we are talking symbolism, then Juno and Mars would be a pair, as well as Juno and Jupiter. I think Juno and Mars can make for great sex. I know I married partly because of that, like a moron. And my Juno is in the 8th and my ex's Mars fell into my 8th and onto (or should I say also into ) my Juno. But then we also had a Venus/Jupiter conjunction soooo....I really don't think you can pick the aspect apart and use it alone as an indicator. I couldn't pick apart any single aspect anyway and use it alone as marriage indicator. I notice themes in couples' charts. Sometimes Juno figures in, but not always. DD"I really don't think you can pick the aspect apart and use it alone as an indicator. I couldn't pick apart any single aspect anyway and use it alone as marriage indicator":thumpsup:comica23I agree with MVM. I think that it depends on each person to determine which aspects works the most and which doesn't. It's like non astrologically speaking, everyone has their own preferences in relationships.ShadowLeoGuys, sorry for the act of necromancy, LOL. I just found this (Google...) and I can't abstain from adding my opinion. So: - My Chiron is conjunct his Mars (0 degrees 32 minutes orb) and his Chiron trines my Mars (very blah, 6 degrees and 20 minutes).- My Juno is conjunct his Sun (2 degrees 37 minutes) and his Juno is conjunct my Mars (2 degrees 46 minutes). No, he's not my husband, he's my over-a-decade-long obsession (Arnold Vosloo). Never even met him, probably never will, lot less actually marry him, LOL.With my own husband, I have a very wide conjunction between my Chiron and his Mars (7 degrees 51 minutes of orb) and no significant Juno aspects... Weird... Is there any explanation for why this happens? )))Desiring ShadowsEWWW, I'd never Chiron a spouse! That is just icky. (Hahahaha)Juno has worked for me experience wise, and from my readings, serves the better fit. Lava FlowerI don't have a strong opinion about which one of those asteroids is the marriage asteroid but I find Juno aspects to be one sided in synastry over a period of time, even if prolonging commitment. I feel its much different in the composite though. I have Juno very prominent in my chart; Conjunct Jupiter 1*, Conjunct sun and mercury, opposite pluto and trine Neptune tightly, yet I am only attracted to earth or water placements if there have many Uranus aspects and Aqua placements in their natal (Aqua is the cusp of my 7th). I am however attracted to people with Juno-Jupiter aspects in their charts. I would personally like to see both activated (especially in the composite), but in my marriage, chiron was more activated in synastry and composite even if by minor aspects. Same with my parents (married for 27 years tho not exactly happy) and grandparents (married since their 20s and till his death at 70 something). I wish I had charts of my aunt and uncle who have been married for over 40 years and still crazy about each other. My vote: the DSC, then Chiron, then Juno. lalalindamoving to Asteroid Astrology mir quote:With my own husband, I have a very wide conjunction between my Chiron and his Mars (7 degrees 51 minutes of orb) and no significant Juno aspects... Weird... Is there any explanation for why this happens? )))The magi are looking in 4 dimensions, not only in Geo-longitudes but also in Geo-declinations, Helio-longitudes and Helio-latitudes. Chiron/Mars is - according to them - not only a marriage indicator but it also generates a strong sexual attraction.This cumulation of two verrry strong Chiron/Mars linkages + Juno linkages would explain the obsession pretty well. Juno according to them rules sex outside of marriage, sex without commitment, sex without love, sex without feelings, unwed mothers, children out of wedlock, and being less responsible than one should be. But at most a VERRY strong sexual attraction with the URGE to act on it. That's why so often you see a few very strong Juno-linkages in the synastry of a married couple (although Juno-linkages completely dissolve when a couple marries). But they may not override Chiron-linkages as that would indicate too much sex and confusing lust with love. Ami Anne quote:Originally posted by angel100:There's much debate in synastry at the moment as to whether the asteroid juno or the planet chiron is more important as an indicator of "true love" or a could be marriage. Traditional astrology dictates that juno is the traditional significator of what we look for in a partner, how we expect them to behave etc. Magi astrology balks at this and maintains that it is chiron that points to the soulmate and is the prime significator of marriage between two people. Magi says that juno linkages (aspects) between people in synastry indicates a sexual bond or mistress relationship only. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have mostly chiron or juno contacts with your spouse? I say spouse because we're not talking about long term relationships here, only the ones that end up with a marriage lolMy longest relationship had his Chiron conj my NN. Then, my mother, who was the most pivotal figure in my life, had her Sun conj my Chiron and my name asteroid(exact)Both of these relationships were long term but characterized by pain. So, I think Chiron WILL bring pain. I think we can count on that. For me, I would go into a relationship knowing that, as that is the best use of Astrology--understanding before decisions.------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/ShadowLeo quote:Originally posted by mir: The magi are looking in 4 dimensions, not only in Geo-longitudes but also in Geo-declinations, Helio-longitudes and Helio-latitudes. Chiron/Mars is - according to them - not only a marriage indicator but it also generates a strong sexual attraction.This cumulation of two verrry strong Chiron/Mars linkages + Juno linkages would explain the obsession pretty well. Juno according to them rules sex outside of marriage, sex without commitment, sex without love, sex without feelings, unwed mothers, children out of wedlock, and being less responsible than one should be. But at most a VERRY strong sexual attraction with the URGE to act on it. That's why so often you see a few very strong Juno-linkages in the synastry of a married couple (although Juno-linkages completely dissolve when a couple marries). But they may not override Chiron-linkages as that would indicate too much sex and confusing lust with love. Oh, yeah, I forgot about declinations! Thank you so much for reminding me! <3So, with my husband, as far as Chiron goes, there's no parallels/contraparallels. My Juno is parallel his Sun. With Arnold, My Chiron is parallel his Mars and Juno; my Juno is parallel his Uranus and contraparallel his Neptune; his Juno is parallel my Sun, Moon and Jupiter. :O
To be honest, I don't even pay any attention to chiron at all as i've never felt its effects in synastry ever.
------------------Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚Gemini Sun 24˚Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)Gemini Mercury 25˚Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)And yes, i'm a guy!
The guy who I recently got back together with has his Juno conjunct my Asc. My Juno trines his Moon. Though we aren't married, sometimes it feels like we are lol.
His Juno at 13° Libra conjuncts my ASC at 14° Libra trines my Jupiter at 12° Aquariustrines my Chiron at 12° Geminitrines my Psyche at 14° Geminisquares my Karma at 11° Capricorn
My Juno at 19° Scorpiotrines his Moon at 20° Piscessquares his Mercury at 21° Leosquares his Mars at 19° Leoquincunx his Chiron at 17° Ariesquincunx his Saturn at 17° Gemini
Juno for us makes us content and committed to each other. As far as leading to marriage I dunno. We do see each other as our ideal... yet, no marriage at the moment but we're happy.
Juno has to do with marriage and commitment, and definitely not mistress or sex lol. And Juno links in the synastry can show that the other person can be an ideal partner for the Juno person.Juno in the natal chart could show what kind of partner/commitment we are inclined to have too (but other things has to be taken into account too of course).
Marriage has been around for a long time as an institution, so I would say that Juno with its symbolism is more an indication of marriage than Chiron.
However, Chiron represents our deepest wound and this myth is more connected to the idea of soulmate since most people think that their soulmate will heal or will help them heal their deepest wounds. And here I am using the term soulmate in the romantic sense.
It's interesting that most people do marry, but most people do not necessarily marry their romantic soulmate.
quote:Meaning, if you share Mars conjunction or trine or quincunx with someone's CHiron, you will most likely marry that person.
quote:However, Chiron represents our deepest wound and this myth is more connected to the idea of soulmate since most people think that their soulmate will heal or will help them heal their deepest wounds. And here I am using the term soulmate in the romantic sense.
Seriously though, I think if we are talking symbolism, then Juno and Mars would be a pair, as well as Juno and Jupiter.
I think Juno and Mars can make for great sex. I know I married partly because of that, like a moron. And my Juno is in the 8th and my ex's Mars fell into my 8th and onto (or should I say also into ) my Juno. But then we also had a Venus/Jupiter conjunction soooo....
I really don't think you can pick the aspect apart and use it alone as an indicator. I couldn't pick apart any single aspect anyway and use it alone as marriage indicator. I notice themes in couples' charts. Sometimes Juno figures in, but not always.
:thumpsup:
I have Juno very prominent in my chart; Conjunct Jupiter 1*, Conjunct sun and mercury, opposite pluto and trine Neptune tightly, yet I am only attracted to earth or water placements if there have many Uranus aspects and Aqua placements in their natal (Aqua is the cusp of my 7th). I am however attracted to people with Juno-Jupiter aspects in their charts.
I would personally like to see both activated (especially in the composite), but in my marriage, chiron was more activated in synastry and composite even if by minor aspects. Same with my parents (married for 27 years tho not exactly happy) and grandparents (married since their 20s and till his death at 70 something). I wish I had charts of my aunt and uncle who have been married for over 40 years and still crazy about each other.
My vote: the DSC, then Chiron, then Juno.
quote:With my own husband, I have a very wide conjunction between my Chiron and his Mars (7 degrees 51 minutes of orb) and no significant Juno aspects... Weird... Is there any explanation for why this happens? )))
The magi are looking in 4 dimensions, not only in Geo-longitudes but also in Geo-declinations, Helio-longitudes and Helio-latitudes.
Chiron/Mars is - according to them - not only a marriage indicator but it also generates a strong sexual attraction.This cumulation of two verrry strong Chiron/Mars linkages + Juno linkages would explain the obsession pretty well.
Juno according to them rules sex outside of marriage, sex without commitment, sex without love, sex without feelings, unwed mothers, children out of wedlock, and being less responsible than one should be. But at most a VERRY strong sexual attraction with the URGE to act on it. That's why so often you see a few very strong Juno-linkages in the synastry of a married couple (although Juno-linkages completely dissolve when a couple marries). But they may not override Chiron-linkages as that would indicate too much sex and confusing lust with love.
quote:Originally posted by angel100:There's much debate in synastry at the moment as to whether the asteroid juno or the planet chiron is more important as an indicator of "true love" or a could be marriage. Traditional astrology dictates that juno is the traditional significator of what we look for in a partner, how we expect them to behave etc. Magi astrology balks at this and maintains that it is chiron that points to the soulmate and is the prime significator of marriage between two people. Magi says that juno linkages (aspects) between people in synastry indicates a sexual bond or mistress relationship only. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have mostly chiron or juno contacts with your spouse? I say spouse because we're not talking about long term relationships here, only the ones that end up with a marriage lol
My longest relationship had his Chiron conj my NN. Then, my mother, who was the most pivotal figure in my life, had her Sun conj my Chiron and my name asteroid(exact)
Both of these relationships were long term but characterized by pain. So, I think Chiron WILL bring pain. I think we can count on that. For me, I would go into a relationship knowing that, as that is the best use of Astrology--understanding before decisions.
------------------Passion, Lust, Desire. Check out my journal
http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
quote:Originally posted by mir: The magi are looking in 4 dimensions, not only in Geo-longitudes but also in Geo-declinations, Helio-longitudes and Helio-latitudes. Chiron/Mars is - according to them - not only a marriage indicator but it also generates a strong sexual attraction.This cumulation of two verrry strong Chiron/Mars linkages + Juno linkages would explain the obsession pretty well. Juno according to them rules sex outside of marriage, sex without commitment, sex without love, sex without feelings, unwed mothers, children out of wedlock, and being less responsible than one should be. But at most a VERRY strong sexual attraction with the URGE to act on it. That's why so often you see a few very strong Juno-linkages in the synastry of a married couple (although Juno-linkages completely dissolve when a couple marries). But they may not override Chiron-linkages as that would indicate too much sex and confusing lust with love.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about declinations! Thank you so much for reminding me! <3So, with my husband, as far as Chiron goes, there's no parallels/contraparallels. My Juno is parallel his Sun. With Arnold, My Chiron is parallel his Mars and Juno; my Juno is parallel his Uranus and contraparallel his Neptune; his Juno is parallel my Sun, Moon and Jupiter. :O
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